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		<title>By: RE:Volt</title>
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		<dc:creator>RE:Volt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michigan voting against the renewable energy mandate on the recent ballot reveals that unlike Sen. Al Franken the majority of voters in Michigan recognize that Renewables such as Wind and Solar are not viable alternatives on a modern grid.  The meme that we need to invest in them in order to diversify our energy portfolio is akin to saying that a person needs to buy shares in a company going bankrupt in order to diversify their portfolio.  Diversification is a valuable investment tool, providing the investment is in a stable, profitable, money-making entity whose stock will continue to grow in value and/or pays dividends.  Investing in a money-losing enterprise makes no sense as an investment and only makes money for the broker, not for the investor.

As a society we need to invest in infrastructure that will provide society with a good return on its investment.  The enormous subsidies paid through our taxes and utility rates to renewable energy companies for unpredictable, unreliable and mostly unuseable power provides an excellent return on investment only to the beneficiary of the subsidy and not to the society investing.  For society investing in renewables is a money losing, job and competitiveness-killing proposition.  It is a classic example of the Broken Window Fallacy.

Provding further subsidies to renewable energy, is merely throwing good money after bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michigan voting against the renewable energy mandate on the recent ballot reveals that unlike Sen. Al Franken the majority of voters in Michigan recognize that Renewables such as Wind and Solar are not viable alternatives on a modern grid.  The meme that we need to invest in them in order to diversify our energy portfolio is akin to saying that a person needs to buy shares in a company going bankrupt in order to diversify their portfolio.  Diversification is a valuable investment tool, providing the investment is in a stable, profitable, money-making entity whose stock will continue to grow in value and/or pays dividends.  Investing in a money-losing enterprise makes no sense as an investment and only makes money for the broker, not for the investor.</p>
<p>As a society we need to invest in infrastructure that will provide society with a good return on its investment.  The enormous subsidies paid through our taxes and utility rates to renewable energy companies for unpredictable, unreliable and mostly unuseable power provides an excellent return on investment only to the beneficiary of the subsidy and not to the society investing.  For society investing in renewables is a money losing, job and competitiveness-killing proposition.  It is a classic example of the Broken Window Fallacy.</p>
<p>Provding further subsidies to renewable energy, is merely throwing good money after bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Segue C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Segue C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“What you see are these peaks and valleys as people scramble to either take advantage of, or get out of (the market),”

This is a warning that the industry runs on subsidies. It has been shown to be unsustainable even in Denmark (the poster child for wind development) where manufacturing giant Vestas is on its knees http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/denmark-won-t-support-vestas-through-financial-hardship.html  despite four decades of government support and protection, the unique asset of Sweden and Norway as &quot;storage batteries&quot;, and massive investment in coal-fired generators to keep the grid stabilized! 

Denmark runs on coal not wind. It has condemned itself to fossil-fuel dependence, as has Germany which is now in a rush to replace nuclear with coal to keep the wind from blowing the grid.http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-25/windmills-overload-east-europe-s-grid-risking-blackout-energy

Nowhere has there been a proper cost/benefit analysis to show that the wind industry can live up to its &quot;green&quot; marketing. and even some former acolytes have seen the light, http://www.greenillusions.org/  pioneers a critique of alternative energy from an environmental perspective.

Data performance studies in many countries including the USA  http://www.bentekenergy.com/WindPowerParadox.aspx show that the Laws of Thermodynamics are still in force on planet Earth. It is irresponsible to promote what is tantamount to perpetual motion machines.

The industrialization of precious freshwater ecosystems, particularly the minimally impacted forest/wetland watershed of Lake Superior, the cleanest of the Great Lakes, for such a demonstrably bad scheme is such an error in logical thinking it must be termed insanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What you see are these peaks and valleys as people scramble to either take advantage of, or get out of (the market),”</p>
<p>This is a warning that the industry runs on subsidies. It has been shown to be unsustainable even in Denmark (the poster child for wind development) where manufacturing giant Vestas is on its knees <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/denmark-won-t-support-vestas-through-financial-hardship.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/denmark-won-t-support-vestas-through-financial-hardship.html</a>  despite four decades of government support and protection, the unique asset of Sweden and Norway as &#8220;storage batteries&#8221;, and massive investment in coal-fired generators to keep the grid stabilized! </p>
<p>Denmark runs on coal not wind. It has condemned itself to fossil-fuel dependence, as has Germany which is now in a rush to replace nuclear with coal to keep the wind from blowing the grid.<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-25/windmills-overload-east-europe-s-grid-risking-blackout-energy" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-25/windmills-overload-east-europe-s-grid-risking-blackout-energy</a></p>
<p>Nowhere has there been a proper cost/benefit analysis to show that the wind industry can live up to its &#8220;green&#8221; marketing. and even some former acolytes have seen the light, <a href="http://www.greenillusions.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenillusions.org/</a>  pioneers a critique of alternative energy from an environmental perspective.</p>
<p>Data performance studies in many countries including the USA  <a href="http://www.bentekenergy.com/WindPowerParadox.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.bentekenergy.com/WindPowerParadox.aspx</a> show that the Laws of Thermodynamics are still in force on planet Earth. It is irresponsible to promote what is tantamount to perpetual motion machines.</p>
<p>The industrialization of precious freshwater ecosystems, particularly the minimally impacted forest/wetland watershed of Lake Superior, the cleanest of the Great Lakes, for such a demonstrably bad scheme is such an error in logical thinking it must be termed insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s Energy News November 2, 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Energy News November 2, 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bill may increase energy competitiveness &#8211; Great Lakes Echo &#124; Renewable Energy News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill may increase energy competitiveness &#8211; Great Lakes Echo &#124; Renewable Energy News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Renewable energy a dim prospect &#124; Conquerall Electrical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renewable energy a dim prospect &#124; Conquerall Electrical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bill may increase renewable energy competitiveness; possible implications for &#8230; &#8211; Great Lakes Echo &#124; Renewable Energy News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill may increase renewable energy competitiveness; possible implications for &#8230; &#8211; Great Lakes Echo &#124; Renewable Energy News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 09:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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